I guess if Putin and Israel can do it why not the us. Who’s going to stop us. We watched a genocide for the last two years, whos going to stop the us from bombing fisherman
So now the US can sink any ship on the high seas, no questions asked, no evidence given? Usually, terms like “state sponsored terrorism” are thrown about when dealing with such events.
Start blowing up American boats see how they like it
- Lie that someone is a threat (without evidence)
- Justify killing him based on #1 (without due process)
- Claim that anyone opposing #1/#2 is aiding the enemy
- Justify killing that opposition based on #3/#1
Fascism 101
I’m not entirely sure about that, providing the photos USA showed are accurate (they might not be under this administration.) that wasn’t a fishing boat, it was an expensive looking speed boat. Speed Boats are expensive in the world of boats, where everything is expensive.
But also a boat like that isn’t making a crossing from Colombia to USA on a single tank of fuel and any storage is going to be needed for product, so it also seems very unlikely they were trafficking drugs.
Murderous fascists gonna murder fascistly.
Trump is a murderer and a vandal. And a rapist. And an insurectionist. He’s probably jaywalked too.
I can’t tell if you’re deliberately trying to cheapen him being a rapist of children or if that was just a mid joke :(
The worst part is that he isn’t even just a child rapist. Partaking in and supporting something like Epstein’s Island as somebody with that much wealth is so insanely disgusting, so far past the normal disgusting of ruining a single child’s life like that.
We literally don’t have a term for that besides “a billionaire”.
Like, we don’t know what happened there for decades.
Who is missing? What happened to them? Etc. because in that place, by those people, anything went, the law did, does, and will not apply, ever. Other than Jeffrey Epstein, there have been literally no consequences. It has been protected.
Trump is an active participant in that, and we are all the lambs under his party.
Also nvm. Goodnight
And he should die for all our sins!! A true martyr! The pedophilia, the rape, the impurity, murder!
Why did they just take his life like that?
Wrong place, wrong time, wrong color, wrong nationality :(
Wrong facial expression
The cruelty is the point
Yep. The cruelty was always the point.
The Trump administration has said the U.S. is in a “non-international armed conflict” with drug cartels, arguing that the narcotics they smuggle kill tens of thousands of Americans every year, constituting an “armed attack.”
Ah yes because nothing says “fighting the baddies” like blowing up another country’s citizens to advance your imperialist and neo-colonialist agenda. When you’re not killing brown people from the desert, you’re killing brown people from the jungle.
Even if we don’t believe that (which I don’t) the dudes on the boats are not kingpins and commanders, they are one step above literal slaves, their choices are pretty much:
1: Drive the boat and don’t get caught or tell anyone, or 2: get necklaced as soon as your wife is done getting necklaced
Make Headlines Have Propositions/Articles Again! (or whatever grammatical components are necessary to make headlines easier to parse; less garden path-y)
Colombian WHO WAS killed in A U.S. [MILITARY?] strike was on a fishing trip, wife claims
I have a suggestion:
Colombian WHO WAS killed
inby A U.S. [MILITARY?] strike was on a fishing trip, wife claimsThe US military didn’t provide any credible evidence, they are basically starting a terrorist blockade of waters, while the only “fact” we have is the wife statement. Under normal circumstance the wife statement should be treated as fact unless proven otherwise.
Well, as some pointed out, U.S. provided a picture of the boat, which was not a fishing boat, but an expensive speedboat. So there is some evidence against the wife’s claim. On the other hand, a speedboat shouldn’t have enough fuel to reach the U.S. So both stories seem suspicious.
this just in sale of speedboat now illegal because they are drug
The US provided a picture claiming to be of the boat in this specific event.
The standard of evidence for whatever imagery the US Administration provides to the Press is well, well, below what a Court would consider admissable as “evidence”, so there is no evidence against the wife’s claim - that could be any speedboat at any time: no trail of evidence links that picture of a speedboat to this specific event.
There is also no evidence for the wife’s claim - she said stuff, which can just as easilly be true as it can false.
The unbiased take on this is that two sides are making claims which are not backed by anything that qualifies as evidence: she could easilly be lying, whilst the picture of a boat provided by the US Administration can have been taken anywhere and at any time and be totally unrelated to their murder of this guy (“murder” because this was a purposeful killing which was not a Lawful Execution following a Court Judgement nor was it done in self defense, so it fits the legal definition).
And this is without even going into the detail that it’s the side which has murdered somebody who has at least the moral duty (this being the US, the Rule Of Law for purposeful extra-judicial extra-territorial killings is literally non-existent) of backing it up with actual evidence (real, proper stuff, not “picture of random speedboat with no evidenciary trail linking it to the actual event”)
Court would consider admissable as “evidence”,
What does that have to do with how a newspaper should write a headline? Since there is no evidence for the wife’s claim (and at least some small evidence against), the news correctly reports it as just her claim.
The unbiased take on this is that two sides are making claims which are not backed by anything that qualifies as evidence
Didn’t I just write that in less detail? I guess I should have added “weak” evidence? I thought the word “some” already made it clear it was far from enough evidence.
Well, as some pointed out, U.S. provided a picture of the boat, which was not a fishing boat, but an expensive speedboat. So there is some evidence against the wife’s claim. On the other hand, a speedboat shouldn’t have enough fuel to reach the U.S. So both stories seem suspicious.
The part of your post I emphasized is literally false. Not half-truth as you’re now implying by calling it “weak evidence”, literally it is a false statement.
A falsehood is not a counter-argument to whatever you were arguing against, even if it’s not done maliciously but simply because you yourself were decieved by one side using more showmanship for their claims and likely your own subconscious bias favoring the statements of “authorities” over those of “random poor-looking south american person”
When the US Administration says that the specific “expensive speedboat” in the photo they showed was the boat in that event, they are verbally making a claim with no backing proof whatsoever and without any proof linking it to the actual event that photo has no evidenciary characteristics AT ALL - it’s literally a random picture of an “expensive speedboat” plus somebody’s “trust me this was the boat involved”, no stronger or weaker than the wife’s “trust me my husband was out fishing” unless you have a bias that predisposes you to trust the US Administration more than a colombian woman.
“He says” is not “some evidence against” a “she says” claim.
What do you mean it’s false? Evidence that does not hold up in court of law is still evidence. There is nothing false about that sentence.
If I take a photo of my car for insurance after a car crash, it is evidence. Even if it is not perfectly provable that it is my car or that it is from that day and not previous accident, it is still evidence. Evidence does not have to be perfect or prove the case on it’s own to be considered evidence.
Fair enough: as per one of its dictionary definitions “Evidence” is “The means by which an allegation may be proven, such as oral testimony, documents, or physical objects” so that photo can be said to be “evidence”, just like the woman’s words can be said to be “evidence”, just like anything at all no matter how flimsy which any side claims or implies that “may prove the allegation”.
My bad, “evidence” is not “proof” (which was how I read it) and you never claimed it was “proof”, so my mistake.
So strictly speaking your statement was correct, even whilst not actually countering the point of the poster you were responding to: they claimed that there was no “credible evidence” whilst you pointed out (correctly as you just showed me) that there was “evidence”, which is not the same as “credible evidence”.
I’ll try henceforth to keep in mind that saying that “there is evidence” means absolutelly nothing at all about a case beyond somebody having claimed that something they provided may prove an allegation on that case (in other words, claiming something is “evidence” is an allegation about an allegation, so that by itself doesn’t prove or disprove anything further than the initial allegation by itself).
I would say that our discussing here shows that at the original point to which you replied to still stands: the US Administration has shown no credible evidence. They’ve provided what they claim is “evidence”, but then again a Trump recording saying “it’s true” could also be claimed to be “evidence” per the dictionary definition of the word.
Civilian MURDERED in TERRORIST ATTACK conducted by the US ARMED FORCES was on a fishing trip
What did you think it meant?
Colombian killed
Usually, sentences go noun-verb. So who did this Columbian kill?
Colombian killed in U.S.
Oh, a Columbian was killed. In the US, of all places! What happened?
Colombian killed in U.S. strike
Oh, weird. I wonder what kind of strike (maybe the government shutdown?) resulted in this Columbian getting killed.
Colombian killed in U.S. strike was on a fishing trip,
Oh, that doesn’t make sense that there’d be a strike in the same place as a fishing trip. Wait, was he not in the US at all?
Because they’re racist, unaccountable, and don’t value humanity.
Colombia should take this to the ICC, it won’t so shit, but they should anyway.
The US not only withdrew its signature of the Rome Statute in 2002 (along with Israel) it also has a law that says they’ll invade the Hague should a US war criminal ever be tried there.
Normal non-terrorist stuff.
Thanks Bush.
Oh I know that, hence that it won’t do shit, as you rightly indicated, rule of law, with bug guns. Just another average day for countries like the US and Israel.
we have unmarked masked paramilitary randomly renditioning folks over here. we are a fucked up shithole country at this point. Every country needs to be prepping their military and diplomatic ties assuming the us may be an aggressor. Europe, japan, india, canada, south korea, australia, argentina, taiwan, brazil should think about a nato alternative.
Whenever all this ends in half a century or whatever. There should probably be some kind of more generalized non-proliferation pact. To prevent a single nation from leap frogging every other by multiple factors.
It’s a rogue state at this point. The most powerful one on earth. Who could stop them even if they wanted to.
yeah this is what scares me and how come when people talk about moving out of the country its like. what and have less sensible citizens in the nation. I mean we have nukes.
Because they’re pedophile fascists who need distractions from their inability to effectively govern.
Imagine breaking down while fishing, raising your engine, and setting up a distress call and being excited to see an American vessel approaching to help.
It then stops, trains its guns on you, and fires explosive shells.
