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Others said the campaign had a darker side and stirred up fear of newcomers. Some backers of the Piddington referendum compared their fight against the asylum accommodation to the 1940 Battle of Britain against Nazi Germany.
Villager Herbert Owen, 76, said after voting on Tuesday that the independence referendum “isn’t just about Piddington,” adding: “It means everything our grandparents, our parents fought for. Today is the Battle of Britain.”
Comparing unauthorized immigration to an invasion has become increasingly common among politicians including Nigel Farage of Reform UK, and far-right groups that have been active in organizing and attending anti-immigrant protests.
What a bunch of assholes. From earlier in the article:
Residents of Piddington, which has a population of about 350…
That makes sense. Small town people need to have no say over issues pertaining to classes of people who are “different” from themselves. They’re too insulated and lack exposure to those who aren’t like them to properly recognize that they’re human beings in all the ways that they’d recognize if they knew someone from said class.
Brief story: decades ago, while I was on excellent drugs at a rave, my homophobia (thanks, Mom!) instantly disappeared when I realized the hilarious gay guy, in a group of us smoking cigarettes, was no different from me. “He just wants to take his drugs and have a good time on Saturday night,” I realized. He was no different from me!
Small town people need drugs and a good time with people unlike themselves.
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Do they still draw and quarter people at Tyburn?
Bye
I get that this is ridiculous, but I have to ask how a town of 350 will accommodate 1200 more? I don’t know about small towns in UK but is there enough housing? If more is built, is there a proper infrastructure? As in when I lived in a small town in US, roughly 600, everyone had well water and septic tanks; there was no city like plumbing.
I bring this question up because where I live now, the city keeps building giant apartments and car washes; yet sewage is being dumped in the water. There is a “drought” so plenty of water restrictions. And despite the heatwave this has never been an issue 15 years ago. They okayed all of these buildings, but the entire infrastructure is completely outdated, like don’t be surprised if you’re showering with sewage or reclaimed water and the lights flicker often sigh. A lot of people that have lived here their whole lives aren’t happy about this and there is no possible way this will be fixed even in my lifetime. But hey they just keep increasing bills and taxes.
They don’t have to accommodate anyone, as the article explains the asylum seekers are being housed on a self-sufficient former army base half a mile away. They’re just racists.
I see, as long as they don’t have shitty living conditions then I don’t see what the problem is. I will say if it’s anything like certain bases I’ve been on, like Camp Blanding in the US which was an Internment Camp in WW2… I would feel pretty bad for them.
I will never feel bad for UK having to deal with “migrant crisis” after terrorizing the world for centuries
Great, invade them and make them a vassal state to the UK with an 80% tax rate and forced serfdom. Should be done before lunch.
Villager Herbert Owen, 76, said after voting on Tuesday that the independence referendum “isn’t just about Piddington,” adding: “It means everything our grandparents, our parents fought for. Today is the Battle of Britain.”
Herbert, Britain took hundreds of thousands of refugees when Nazi Germany invaded all of Europe. Many of those refugees fought for the Allies during the Battle of Britain when UK was left standing alone. You shame your grandparents and parents who fought during the war and tarnishing the name of the battle that fought for everything that is right.
No wonder the Scots and Welsh are right to push for independence. I would not want to be associated with England-- an old man yelling at clouds.
I am in agreeance with the comments basically telling those people that they would need to basically build up their “country” but definitely under a time constraint before being kicked out of the country.
Hell, I was thinking similar things like that for certain parts of my country. Could easily apply to both. Simple things like them having to draft their own laws, create their own currency and then when that is created hand over basically all the foreign money back, government from the part of the country that didn’t secede still keeps control over the military bases and other government things of importance still in the new country. Things like other have said about disconnecting from nationwide utilities and having to have their own passports.
I bet in both situations they wouldn’t even last more than a few years before collapsing inder their own ineptitude.
Years? They’d be reliant on foreign aid from the UK within weeks.
What a bunch of wankers
The migrants are coming regardless, the only choice you have is whether to be humane or cruel.
no, the choice you have is to turn them away or admit them.
and i severely doubt you’d wnat them moving into your home. but as long as someone else has to deal with the problem what do you care really? you can sit back and judge them and feel superior about what you hypothetically think you would do.
Turn away to where? Human traffickers will get them onto land if that’s all it takes.
What’s the problem exactly? Having immigrants at all?
Immigration is a complex social and economic problem.
And the problem is people dont’ want to acknowledge complexity because it’s hard. They’d rather vastly over simplify things, and call it bad or good. Without ever going into the policy details and their consequences.
And if you suggest that immigration is complex leftists call you racists, and rightoids think you want to exterminate the white race.
But it’s fine, it’s easier to grandstand on the internet and feel smug than actually discuss or examine the complexities of immigration, especially because it’s someone else’s problem.
But you simplified it to “the problem”. I was asking for specifics of what exactly the problem is.
the problem is how many/who immigration to allow in, and where they have to live, how much assistance/benefits will they get, etc.
then how to integrate them into your society, language learning etc.
and that’s legal immigration. and that already, has backlash, because why are these people getting so many social services that aren’t even available to your own citizens?
illegal immigration is a whole other thing. because by definition, that’s not-selective in either population, location, or anything else.
politically the problem the far left things open borders and infinite resources should exist, and the far right things immigration shoudl be disallowed entirely or only be for the rich, and no social services shoudl be given to immigrant.
Your reasoning is one of the worst thought ones I’ve read.
So your entire assertion above is assuming that everyone else doesn’t have to deal with the problem of immigration, so they can throw peanuts from afar without dealing with that problem?
I’m pretty sure everyone here lives somewhere with immigrants. So that’s a strange thing to accuse everyone else of.
and that already, has backlash, because why are these people getting so many social services that aren’t even available to your own citizens?
There are special interest funds and help for all kinds of groups, private and public. Citizens have more social services that aren’t available to all immigrants by default. There has never been any data to support this assertion that immigrants receive the benefit of more social funds than citizens.
It’s particularly illegal immigrants. Essentially once someone disregards the immigration system, then their likelihood of disregarding other laws is dramatically increased.
Legal immigrants also hate this happening as well, as they work hard to get a visa and then their reputation gets annihilated by freeloaders and possibly criminals or nuisances escaping repercussions abroad.
Gonna need some citations on the claim that illegal immigrants break the law more than legal immigrants or even natural-born citizens.
Another citation for most illegal immigrants being freeloaders too considering their illegal status makes freeloading much more difficult.
Illegal immigrants are given benefits such as an allowance and accommodation.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-seeker-support-faqs/#one
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-law-change-to-criminalise-small-boat-smuggler-ads
The ONS doesn’t collect statistics on crime and immigration status
So then there’s no basis to paint the entire group as criminals if there is no data to support that claim.
And that benefit says it’s for asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants.
I have anecdotal experience. People who pay human traffickers to illegally bring them from one safe country to another, and then abuse the asylum system should be treated like criminals, yes.
Damn, you suck
Yeah, I believe in reality. Reality sucks. Therefore I suck.
Wow, who would have known it was UK racism that outs the most blatant racists? Have I just dodge all of y’all before?
Being critical of immigration policy isn’t being a racist, but keep telling yourself that.
Because it involves you never having to think or address the issue in any significant way. You just get to stand on your high chair and shout racist at strangers who are protesting policy decisions they don’t like. Because you know better than them, no doubt!
You’re not being “cruel” by not allowing what you didn’t agree to in the first place. The government is cruel by not getting approval from people who actually live there. The government is cruel by telling the migrants they have a place to go, when they don’t. The government drops them off and goes “cool, good luck” into a community who doesn’t want them, then they act shocked when the migrants are treated like shit.
Nice fantasy you have there
Funny how the people that are treating the migrants like shit are somehow not the cruel ones even though they’re the cause of the main instigators of friction in every step there.
Paying human traffickers to try and bypass the visa system and lying about fleeing some war in france, also lying about your age, in order to claim benefits for people actually in need, tends to instigate friction.
Not only does this have nothing to do with the comment I replied to, it’s also a wild claim that seems extremely specific and can’t possibly apply across a large group of people to actually be a common problem.
Every channel crosser pays human traffickers to try and game the system. Instead of applying for a visa normally, they take a boat from an already safe country to get here. There have been some good BBC documentaries on it- essentially it’s advertised in places like Iraq “pay xyz (usually around £10k) and we’ll get you to Britain”. Typically the benefits the UK government gives you is part of the advertising material.
I can only speak anecdotally, but in estates where there’s asylum seekers placed, you get large groups of those men walking about, staring at you, and there’s been cases in the news regarding rape, I have a friend who witnessed them carrying knives attempting an attack on another group of men. Such a thing rarely happens with local people in these areas (not sure how proportionally it is with rape and violence, but when you’re in someone else’s country, you should be good as gold anyway. Especially if they’re giving you benefits and seriously considering an asylum claim. However, this data isn’t collected so we can only go off anecdotal evidence rather than lay the issue to rest).
Not all asylum seekers crossed the channel or the Irish border by the way. Plenty of good people already here have situations back home or personal circumstances change. I fully support our system protecting them and helping them, they’re the ones it should exist for. Not for people crossing the channel trying to find an easy way into the UK.
This still has nothing to do with the person above blaming everyone except the abusers for abuse. This isn’t a comment thread about defining who these migrants are, I’m specifically taking issue with saying the problem is with everyone except the people acting immorrally.
There is no free pass to abuse people just because you don’t like how they arrived or what other people in the neighbourhood they have to live in are doing.
People who are criticising immigration aren’t a free pass to abuse them either.
So wait are they actually independent then?..
Because if so, that technically means it’s perfectly fine for anyone to declare war on them and just take over the area. I mean, they’re calling it a battle, so why not give them a taste of what they want then? Considering it’s about 300 people, most elderly, it’s probably not hard for the internet to gather a 100 who have just some basic combat training. Then they can be given the choice to surrender, and once they do, their land can be sold been to Britain or turned into an anarchist commune, with them being kicked out. /s
Unfortunately, even with such a direct drastic action, the irony would be entirely lost on them.
Just let them get their independence. Build a razorwire fence around the village, invalidate their passports, and cut off water, power, and phones. And just in case they have boats, place a coast guard boat in front of their harbour (or whatever they have).
Sounds perfectly reasonable. I’m sure they’ll sort it out. Refuse to let any of them seek refuge.
Exactly the plan.
Wouldn’t they get an EEZ
Well, how much use would it be, behind razor wire, no way to get out by boat, either, and no airport?
Imperialism is back boys!
They say that “Today is the Battle of Britain” yet for some reason they switched sides and joined the fascists
Send a couple of Spitfires to strafe them, see how they like that.
Serious question, if the boys that fought fascism knew the future is where their grandchildren wouldn’t be able to afford a house, would stop having children on masse, and wouldn’t be able to get hired. Do you think they’d still have fought? It made their sacrifice worth it?
At least they have some foreign food. On the downside, there’s huge grooming gangs that the police doesn’t dare do anything about because they might be accused of racism.
They would be horrified that there are bell ends like you cropping up again in their own country. Seriously.
Let’s hear from a primary source: https://youtu.be/c2LTcqnFXY0?is=lgF6x1X8xFdWLC_Z
I’m not British, I’m Belgian. And when i remember my grandfather, he’d be horrified by the current society.
Frankly the only ant-immigrant parties left are the far fight fascists, and I understand you associate me with them. But that’s not at all representative of. I want the political landscape to be like Denmark.
Respect for people, freedom, laws, the press…, still hard on illegal immigration. I really hate that the only people standing against unlimited immigration are the pro-Russian mega corrupt far-right.
Hey, while you seem cool with making bad choices on the Internet today, let me help you make just one fewer faux pas:
In your YouTube link, you see that string that begins with?is=? That’s a referral identifier so that Google can track who watched a video based on whose referral. The fact that this code can be internally associated with your Gmail account means that a third party has the potential to relate your Lemmy account to your Gmail account. While you’re not full-on doxxing yourself, you’re still inviting a potential invasion of your privacy.So, swap your YouTube link with this cleaned link
https://youtu.be/c2LTcqnFXY0, and good luck with the xenophobia.I’m not British, I’m Belgian
Of course you’re not, hardly any of the terminally online fuckwits obsessed with our politics are.
I want the political landscape to be like Denmark
Speaking as someone who lives in Denmark and have for my entire life: no you don’t.
It’s become increasingly full of demagogic nonsense ever since the Fogh campaign introduced spin doctors in 2000.
I guess that IS what you like, though, based on your jingoistic catchphrases below…
hard on illegal immigration
Translation: xenophobic and needlessly cruel
unlimited immigration
Translation: not forcing people to suffer and die for being born on the wrong side of arbitrary lines on a map
Translation: not forcing people to suffer and die for being born
on the wrong side of arbitrary lines on a mapin a foreign country that my country and their allies bombed, sanctioned, and otherwise manipulated into poverty.They wouldn’t leave their homes [edit: in the numbers racists complain about], if their countries were fine. And their countries aren’t fine as a result of decades, if not centuries, of exploitation and political and economic meddling/espionage from the West/“global north”.
That is also true, yes.
Even if their countries WERE fine, though, it should be none of our concern whether they prefer to live in ours.
Since they’re not, though, letting them live in peace here is the LEAST we can do to make up for our imperialist past and present!
Maybe ask yourself WHY it’s only the far right parties that are anti-immigrant and blaming all society’s ills on immigrants? Have a little think about that, and about what happened in the lead up to WW2. See if you can spot any similarities between those people who’s policies you support and the people your grandfather and my father fought against.
Illegal immigration is an issue but it’s nowhere near the cause of society’s ills. Just thought it was worth putting that out there.
If anything, it’s just a symptom.
Respect for people, freedom, laws, the press…,
Have you seen what’s been happening across the pond?
The reason houses are not affordable has nothing to do with fighting fascism, so it’s an absurd question.
there’s huge grooming gangs that the police doesn’t dare do anything about because they might be accused of racism
That’s a lame excuse the police use to cover up for their gross incompetence. And the similar police inaction on predominantly white grroming gangs can’t be credibly attributed to fears of accusations of racism.
Serious question, if the boys that fought fascism knew the future is where their grandchildren wouldn’t be able to afford a house, would stop having children on masse, and wouldn’t be able to get hired. Do you think they’d still have fought? It made their sacrifice worth it?
That generation themselves took charge of the new councils that in many cases would then veto further housing development to put upward pressure on the value of the homes they had secured, starting to pull up the ladder after many new homes had been freshly built for them following the destruction of the war. Their direct children who inherited the housing are still profiting quite handsomely with similar incentives, although it’s terrible for the great grandchildren. So the bad part is basically working as they themselves intervened to achieve, and regardless of that now reducing homeownership rates those rates still remain higher than those of when that generation was growing up and the homes are much nicer in quality than the slums of the time which were destroyed.
People stopped having children en masse because new technology allowed for family planning and for people to do what seemed important to them in life rather than suddenly winding up as parents and being forced to lock in.
The unemployment rate of 4.9% is much lower than what that war-winning generation had experienced in the interwar period.
None of this situation seems like it would be helped by becoming the slaves of a self-proclaimed master race who themselves were under the unrestrained despotism of a rabid band of bloodthirsty lunatics.
I say, give them independence. Cut them off from the grid, water, sewage. Add border checks requiring visas if they want to enter the rest of the country. Treat them how you would treat any other country, with the influence of 300 people. See how long they last.
As a nice gesture, let them have another referendum to see if they want to rejoin.
Then, once they agree they want to re-join, require the surrounding area to hold a referendum on whether to allow it.
Yeah, it’s really a vote for free-riding. So bill them for everything they consume, and mark it up a bit extra because they’re being cunts.
was no different from me. “He just wants to take his drugs and have a good time on Saturday night”’ realized. He was no different from me!
How can you be sure that these illegal immigrants are no different than you? For example, are you sure they have the same respect for women as you? I met a Pakistani fella once (wasn’t an illegal immigrant, but was an international student). He was boasting about how he had two marriages lined up. I think from there it was quite well established that different cultures have different levels of acceptability for behaviour.
Poligamy does not in any way imply disrespect for women. Or are mixed polycules composed exclusively of people who hate all genders?
It’s disrespectful for women if men are allowed multiple wives while women are allowed one husband. Women in this case are usually also expected to be subservient to the men.
This is very different from polygamy with equal rights imo.
It’s one-way monogamy. Basically objectifies women.
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Oh, cool. I don’t often see an unabashed racist in Lemmy comments. Nice to see one who isn’t pussyfooting around, so I know I can cleanly block you.
I didn’t say anything racist on here, never have and (hopefully) never will. And if I do, I’m sorry.
Edit: read the modlog, I wasn’t calling for violence against anyone. The joke was that real patriots would be willing to bear what they are claiming their countrymen are going through in solidarity. Kinda parodying right wing claims and the blitz spirit or signing up for the war 80 years ago, or I guess during COVID. “They” was referring to the villagers of piddington.
