I love it when I read something incredibly racist but have no idea because the stereotypes and slurs they’re using don’t even fucking exist anymore.
Well I expect that of you, you Brass Ankled Dago Kraut!
My favorite historical racial slur is from south America. They’d call one tribe rubber people becasue theyd make rubber
Robinson Crusoe was one of my favorites as a kid. Tried rereading that recently and the whole reason he was ever on a ship that could get wrecked in the first place was he wanted to buy slaves.
I haven’t read it since high school but Defoe prose was absolute tedium for me back then.
Louic CK had a bit on why he reads Tom Sawyer and not Huck Finn to his children:
CW: Slurs are quoted https://youtube.com/watch?v=VmeRYo10acg
Lol. “Look… These boys are racist.”
My all-time favorite racist author is HP Lovecraft. White American man in New England? Not even close to good enough. He’s got to be all that and from the right “stock”.
I get the impression that old HP didn’t so much hate as fear the “other”. I know, hate and fear are mostly the same thing under the hood, but Henry seemed really frightened of anyone not up to his standards of “decent human being”. He seemed to think mankind was going to devolve into degeneracy. Probably comes from the popular notion of eugenics at the time. Seriously weird dude.
I like the interpretation of Shadow Over Innsmouth as him processing the shocking fact that his great-grandmother might not have been English but… Welsh
YES! The man was the OG hater. :) It really tickles me reading his work.
“Hold up. Was that family not white enough?!”
And he wasn’t merely talking shit like hating on the Irish. HP hated on ALL the peoples!
Well, that’s what happens when you don’t have the constitution for math.
I started rereading Catch-22 for the first time in like 20 years (it’s so funny), and was a little taken aback to see the n-word in the very first chapter.
It was, of course, being used in a satirical way that mocked a racist character from Texas. But even then I was like whoa. Came out of nowhere.
Stephen King uses the N-word in dialog as a blatant “this character is a piece of shit” cue.
Quentin tarantino uses it in his screenwriting for… well… actually he just does it cause he’s racist.
So racist he put Pam Grier in a role originally written as a White woman?
And made a movie about slaves killing their masters?
We should have more racists like that.
Tarantino is a bit of an odd ball, but racist he is not.
I doubt he’s a racist. For one, Samuel L Jackson vouches for him. But mostly the actual content of his works and his obviously provocative choices. He knows how the dialogue makes various characters look and he’s not shy about being rough and edgy to generate the impact he’s looking for. Nobody would ever accuse him of being a subtle filmmaker but he understands humans.
Give us an example of Tarantino being racist.
Okay fine, I may have been wrong about that
Important distinction of course.
There is a difference between how Twain or Heller uses it vs. someone just unironically dropping N bombs.
Oh for sure. However, in this case, that particular joke didn’t really land with me and I think it could have gone without it.
started reading Ulysses by James Joyce, and YUP
Well can you tell me of a better way of knowing it is classic literature? Usually if I want racist slurs I have to go to my parents house.
“That part”… I’m pretty sure N-Word Jim is present the whole book.
No racial slurs in Don Quixote.
no slurs or it uses antiquated slurs we have forgotten about? or slurs we excuse because were common back them?
I counted 160 “moro” in Don Quixote.
“Moro” is still commonly used and not considered a slur. It can be used incorrectly to refer to any muslin person but is not offensive in itself.
Just because it’s not considered offensive by white Spaniards does not mean it’s not offensive
https://spanish.stackexchange.com/questions/29187/is-moro-a-racist-term#30243
So it’s more of an example of a normal term used to describe a group that becomes disliked and turns into a slur. Like “American” for example - neutral term that slowly becomes a slur.
it 100% is a slur, only people who disagree are the ones using them
Nor anything by Victor Hugo to my recollection.
Sexist tho.
Interestingly, Don Quixote - very feminist. Cervantes clearly believed women should be able to decide for themselves.
Should have seen all the anti-Norwegian bigotry in the first draft of Les Miserables, though 🫣😬
Do tell, please.
Sorry, I made it up as a joke…
I haven’t read it yet (though the musical based on it is my favorite ever), but I’m pretty confident that there’s no mention of Norway or Norwegians in any version of Les Miserables 🤷🏻
I was racking my brain cause I read that book nearly 30 yrs ago. I remember all the insults against the peasantry and the bourgeoisie…
So disappointed :(
Again, apologies for the letdown 🤷🏻
Norwegia didn’t exist back then so … of course it wasn’t brought uo
Or Georg Büchner’s Lenz. I don’t remember most Shakespeare works being particularly racially charged, either. E.g. not a lot of non-British people in medieval Scotland (McBeth).
Shakespeare has The Merchant of Venice, which comes with some antisemitism controversy
Forgot about Othello, huh?
Wasn’t Othello black?
“I will weave together a beautiful philosophy that shows that all men are equal and then lazily scribble in why people with dark skin are the exception.”
That says more about your language’s classic literature and society than classic literature in general.
Depends on the author. Some of the writing styles are anachronistic due to their age and can be a bit of a slog, but that’s often compounded by the authors being insufferable twats who felt the need to make their prose “flowery” and verbose assuming that everyone would be as in love with their words as they were with themselves.
“really is just”
I suppose we’ll be seeing this in social media for the next year or two?
Can’t wait.
Phrase has been around forever. You just wake up from a coma or something?
I guess I need to spend more time online.
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