A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site…NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!
How the F*** can anyone use these two lines in a single paragraph. Absurdity here is comical
War is Peace. Freedom is slavery.
And now for your Five Minute Hate.Subjugation is liberation? Contradiction is truth?
A perfect presentation of American thinking.
" we bomb you to have peace with you"
That line sounds like it was written directly by Netanyahu himself.
That’s because they are the same genocidal, colonialist state.
“We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”
We come in peace
^shoot to kill^
He really wants that Nobel Prize Obama got for waging 13 wars so he have to up the game.
Comical is… A word. I’m not even a smoker, but I feel like a cigarette and some liqueur.
I’m so fucking tired…
GWAR has entered the chat.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!
Irony truly is dead.
It wasn’t before already?
There’s always a tweet:
Getting these vibes
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Wanna take a trip to the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum and liberate this banner for the memes?
Congress?? Hello?
They’re too busy changing their pants after their wishes finally came true
“So we still get paid and we don’t have to do anything? That’s amazing! Haha, but why do I have to face the wall for this part?”
It’s weird to laugh in a time like this. Thank you, I guess.
Sometimes laughing is all we can do in times like this
Nah, they’re all on the phone with their stockbrokers.
You laugh but several members of Congress bought stocks in defense contractors shortly before this military operation
I wasn’t joking.
In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.
It’s what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.
Congress has been increasingly abdicating more of its powers for several administrations now
It’s not a meme, it’s real
Why would I fight? I’ll just dodge the draft and fasttrack my presidential campaign.
My platform is ABWA: America Becomes West Again. Everyone does horses, cowboy hats, and guns again. You wanna travel further than 3 towns over? Train.
Please also make it wild as well, I really liked west world and that animation where Johnny depp is a chameleon in case you want some examples of what I’d vote for.
All US Marshalls will be androids, so you feel ok shooting them while living as an outlaw.
You will need a Bachelor’s in some liberal arts degree to qualify for the outlaw profession. Outlaws pay taxes only every other year, and are categorized as “self-employed” so you have to track your own taxes.
The photo should just be an Israeli flag.
We killed a bunch of people but now I want peace…
I punched you but please don’t hit me back or I’ll cry.
Soy Right, at it again
Just saw this earlier.
May the US Empire crumble to dust, its only vestiges a dark stain on human existence for future historians to look on with disgust.
Inshallah
I don’t wanna jinx it, but
It would be hilarious if Trump’s, Israel’s and Iran’s actions end up triggering significant climate action out of the sheer cost of continuing to burn oil. The last fuel crisis in the 70s actually caused significant amounts of research into alternatives and some interesting electric vehicles were actually released during that time
Hate to be that guy but -> “Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around. And going by the past absolute fuckery of prediction skills, that means we got at best till 2040… No history or historians, just slow climate death and extinction for all.
Doubt it. Climate change is already happening, but we can mitigate its effects the earlier we tackle it. Plus, no idea who is floating the collapse idea around.
“Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around
By whom?
Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.
Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes…
Fucking amazing.
PNAC gets its way in the end, despite at least 40% of Trump’s rise to political prominence being due to him being one of the few Republicans to criticize… you know, all the pointless meddling and wars in the ME.
… And Trump is almost single handedly responsible for all of this.
He tore up the nuke deal Obama made. He massively mismanaged every element of the Israeli/Palestine situation. Fucking stepson Kushner’s gonna figure it out, don’t worry.
Oh yeah lets piss off everyone and move the embassy to Jerusalem.
Beyond contemptible.
The man is a demon.
Kefka?
Is Trump Kefka, or is that an insult to Kefka?
Fucking childish demon clown that just wants to blow up the whole world so he can feel special.
Trump is not single handedly responsible for jack shit. Get the fick outta here with this great man theory nonsense. Almost every single democrat has been in lock step supporting this shit.
Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn’t be any different, only libs wouldn’t protest because slay kween we came we saw he died
It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?
There’s a reason I said almost singlehandedly.
Would you prefer ‘played a pivotal role’?
Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump’s first term, despite that being one of Trump’s campaign promises.
But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.
Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/presidential-power-to-terminate-international-agreements
Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?
Absolutely yes.
But in this particular instance… the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.
I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.
Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society… he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
not a flaw, this is a feature of US power
While the masses that supported the regime change in Libya that Obama and Hillary were pushing with straight up KKK level propaganda (“Gaddafi handing out viagra for mass rapes” + “Gaddafi recruiting mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa” = real migrant workers from Chad were getting hanged from bridges by the “rebels for democracy”) and is currently a slave market are what? Unfrustrated, tolerant, intellectual, classy liberals?
The entire US middle class on both sides turns to a cheerleader for the military industrial complex with only slightly different narratives to support it each time. The presidents are puppets of economic forces, snap out of it.
They were not.
Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.
Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
The worst war crime of your life so far
Trump II has felt like W Bush III this problem is bigger than him.
I’d rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.
It’s the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.
That’s not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won’t be able to cover it up for very long.
There’s different isotopes in the fallout, different radio spectrometry or whatever, but I think they could lie and say that the reason it looks like a conventional nuclear weapon is because Iran was hiding a nuke and they blew it up.
A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn’t just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.
Speaking of saying anything, I’m going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I’m not taking Trump’s fucking tweet for it.
What gives you the idea that Trump gives any fucks about lying?
What gives you the idea that I have any such idea? I find that quite puzzling.
Sure, in fantasyland
What’s so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?
Looks like that didn’t happen here, but I see no reason that it couldn’t.
Because nuclear detonations are very different to conventional ones, and every major power has satellites monitoring for them. They can’t be hidden. Hell, any university or weather service within 3,000 miles would be able to detect it.
Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?
Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there
*immense relief*
They knew this was happening, we all knew. I hope this is not just a claim. It’s not like you can just take nuclear material home in a jiffy.
There is aerial photo on the AlJazeera website right now from a day or two before the strike with like 8 trucks moving it
See this is exactly what I am worried about.
The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up… unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle…
GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate… you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
… Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
fucking not good
…
like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
That was probably the US’s entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
…
EDIT:
Yep 24 to 48 hrs later and…
Apparently around a dozen 30,000 lb, GBU57s were used, there are at least 3 distinct impact sites visible from Sat Imagery…
And oh hey well, a whole bunch of people are now claiming that… did these do damage?
Sure yes.
Did they ‘utterly obliterate’ the entire site?
Not according to Israel, and a good number of others.
So… 1) thank God they did not actually use a tac. nuke.
- Yep, they threw roughly 1/3 of our entire GBU 57 inventory at Fordow alone, and also the bombs were not accurate enough to inflict repeated, concise hits.
you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these
Anything for a Nobel peace prize.
JDAM is supposed to have a circular error probable of 5m and it’s an upgrade kit from 25 years ago. I can definitely believe that a much newer purpose-built weapon can do better than that. The idea of hitting the same spot with multiple bombs might not actually be that unlikely
I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.
Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.
Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they’d go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab
If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.
But not for ground penetration, no.
A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.
A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.
A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter… so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma… and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.
Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.
The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact… but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.
A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.
And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.
So… the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you’d need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.
And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.
The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and… rough math works out to about… maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?
I guess we’ll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.
You can always count on the USA to start new wars.
should be called USW, united states of war.
Stupid cunt actually wrote “Thank you for your attention to this matter.” Like he’s some douche reminding you to pay a bill.
Scummy landlord’s gonna scummy landlord.
Noting like dropping bombs while professing a desire for peace.
The peace of the grave.
we will have PEACE, or ELSE there will be WAR! Thank you for your attention to this matter
