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Bluesky suspending antifascist researchers for sharing publicly available information about literal nazis.
Should be no surprise considering bsky constantly protects nazis, the far right, and all flavors of bigotry at the expense of Palestinians and trans women.
Fortunately, their information already spread so far and wide that at least half of the Blood Tribe nazis lost their jobs following the mass doxx. Chris Pohlhaus, leader of BT, estimated financial losses at over $2 million lol. Happy holidays!
No, not when the terms be phrased so delicately as you have just done. But I notice among certain communities, that anger stirs at the failure of Democrats to do anything, which is employed in further barring the Democrats from doing anything. I am certain this is by the design of some skilful propagandists, who have engineered our society in such a way that our very outrage is made our undoing.
Here’s the thing, why would you ever assume that the Democratic party has ever had an interest in ‘doing anything’? They are the ones who, when granted the political writ, doubled down on neoliberal economics and funding the war machine back in 2010. And you can go back even further to see that they are always, always doing similar things, no matter what the political mood of the country is. All they do, and literally what they tell you they do is ‘Be the Republicans but smarter.’
What if I’m not interested in that? Then it isn’t in my interest to vote for the Democrats and this supposed propaganda isn’t my personal undoing.
The Democrats don’t do things for people because the party is literally defined by ripping out the levers and mechanisms of power that make the party even mildly accountable to the people, as people became even mildly radicalized. The Republicans, on the other hand, appear very accountable to their base because what their base wants is good for capital. If their base suddenly didn’t want those things, they would be cut out just as fast as the Democrats did to theirs (Which btw we are starting to see in real time wrt Zionism within the party.)
It’s not bourgeois propaganda, it’s literally just having a memory longer than the last year. Truth is the most effective propaganda.
Doing nothing is better than doing concentration camps. And yes, the Democrats are to blame for not stopping the concentration camps by doing something, but blame isn’t going to make that problem better, it’s just going to accelerate the problem, because their entire tactic is to be blamed.
What we need to do is think about the future, not the past. The right question isn’t “who is bad, who can I hate?” That’s not going to help. It’s going to help with Being Right, but Being Right only saves the world if it’s accompanied by Doing Right. You need to think about the consequences of your actions. This isn’t debate club, this is politics. You’re not just a spectator judging from the sidelines, you’re in this. You have choices to make.
You and I both want a revolution, so start from that goal, not from looking at the past. How do we get a revolution? We need to build a leftist movement and gradually escalate direct action. That takes time. We need to buy time. We need to slow down fascism enough that we can revolt faster than they can genocide. We do that by foiling the Democrats’ conspiracy to lose.
We need intelligence AND wisdom. Figuring out who the bad guys are is step 1. Step 2 isn’t hating them, step 2 is stopping them.
They didn’t just not close down the concentration camps, they expanded the concentration camps! The fascism is here, you can’t slow it down, it is all around you, you breathe it in every day, so much so that you can’t tell the stench. Don’t lecture me on the steps when you can’t even do step one. I know who my enemies are, do you?
You can’t foil the Democrats conspiracy to lose because when they win they will still just do fascism, just more quietly and competently so people like you stop mewling. They actively square the circle of imperialist politics. If you can’t organize while the savagery and contradictions are open and apparent, you will never be able to organize when a Democrat is in charge obfuscating the process.
Oh, you’re so clever, I’ll bet you were a real hoot with all the other philosophical illiterates on reddit. No comment on the concentration camps either. Typical.
Where did I say do nothing? Organize your labor, learn to use a gun, get to know your local political situation and figures, and get away from thinking about things in terms of Democratic party politics, especially at the national level.
We are fighting a retreating action at best, but you will find no friends in the halls of national government, to get and stay there you have to be bought and paid for.
you will find no friends in the halls of national government
There you go.
And by the way, politics isn’t about making friends, it’s about improving the world. But you want every option to be all - a worthy friend - or nothing - no possibility of cooperation. For the sake of Jesus Christ, read Marx’s address to the Communist League and be saved from this sin.
Read *What is to be done?" you obnoxious liberal. What exactly are you out there doing anyway? You’re a supposed anarchist that wants to make the democratic party turn their backs on the corporate bourgeois benefactors that put them and keep them in power? That’s the silliest most feckless thing I’ve read in a minute. If that were a reasonable route for organizing, why has hijacking a bourgeois electoral party to make it into a revolutionary proletariat one never been a strategy any revolutionary organizer you’ve read or read of ever made significant progress with? Through what mechanism do you propose even accomplishing that, the power of Jesus Christ compelling them? You’ve got to be one of the most annoyingly anti materialist goobers I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing on this site. At least chuds are worth posting pig poop balls at. You’re a liberal cosplaying a revolutionary anarchist and you still can’t imagine anything beyond what already exists. For the love of God chatter, join the PSL and develop some goddamn discipline instead of whatever this has been all day.
You’ve got to be one of the most annoyingly anti materialist goobers
you still can’t imagine anything beyond what already exists.
I can’t imagine anything beyond what exists? Well YOU can’t imagine anything but atoms! Everything’s made of atoms to you: people, governments, even our culture. I can imagine gods! I can imagine plagues! I can imagine worlds beyond this plane. I assure you that between the two of us, YOU are the realist. May your soul be saved.
why has hijacking a bourgeois electoral party to make it into a revolutionary proletariat one never been a strategy any revolutionary organizer you’ve read or read of ever made significant progress with?
Joe Simon did it while Stalin was still sucking Hitler’s dick
Where’s your sense of left unity? A few gentle nudges at your implementation of praxis, a bit of debate, and you call me a fake leftist. Dialectics requires good faith debate, but you resort to ad hominem defences as soon as a fellow leftist demonstrates the flaws in your plan to achieve communism. Your sect of leftism will never achieve revolution. You are too hostile to wisdom and unity. You will drive away all of your potential allies, and permit the capitalists to destroy you. So it was in Russia, so it was in Spain. I only pray to our Lord that you do not take us with you. Christ bless you.
See, here’s the problem with that. Marx’s Address to the Communist League clearly is in agreement with my particular political programme. Which, no shit it should, I cribbed it from him.
There are, in particular, two passages that are extremely important to note and apply to the American context.
“The relationship of the revolutionary workers’ party to the petty-bourgeois democrats is this: it cooperates with them against the party which they aim to overthrow; it opposes them wherever they wish to secure their own position.”
This is most likely the passage that you are misinterpreting. To cooperate against the party they wish to overthrow does not apply to the national Democratic party because the national Democratic party does not wish to overthrow the Republican party. They wish to consolidate the gains of the Republican party for big capital. They say this repeatedly. To paraphrase, “America needs a strong Republican party.” - Nancy Pelosi.
If anything, this address would have us helping the Republicans, as they are the party that is most represented by the American petite-bourgious.This is, of course, a gross misapplication of theory because both parties are inevitably primarily representatives of big capital. We are not in a German 1850’s situation where there is a party that wishes to overthrow the Kaiser, and establish a republic, we are in a situation in which the liberal republic has already been established and centralized.
To whit,
“But they themselves must contribute most to their final victory, by informing themselves of their own class interests, by taking up their independent political position as soon as possible, by not allowing themselves to be misled by the hypocritical phrases of the democratic petty bourgeoisie into doubting for one minute the necessity of an independently organized party of the proletariat.”
This is the penultimate point of the piece and where we reside, which is pretty damn clear, and exactly what I was advocating for in the previous post. I advise you to actually read what you claim to have read in the historical context that it exists in, in order to not misapply it to our historical political situation.
But you can do whatever you want, it is unlikely that you are actually a member of any party I am a part of.
The Democratic Party is not a person. Please set aside the Great Man Theory of history, which I see you have reskinned into your Great Egregore Theory. The Democratic Party is an organisation, which is subject to material pressures. We, the workers, ultimately create all material pressures. The Democratic Party responds to the balance of workers and bourgeois. When the workers are unprincipled, and vulnerable to propaganda, money begins to speak louder, and the politicians listen. When the workers are strong, united, and active in each and every avenue of politics, money is silenced, and the overton window shifts left.
Your primitive notions of good and evil individuals cannot be applied to national policy. You must switch to a dialectical determinist model, so you can truly understand what is going on. You can already see how dialectical determinism has begun to change New York for the better - the people are tired of fascism, they want change, and change follows. Tell them change is impossible, and you will make it so.
No, not when the terms be phrased so delicately as you have just done. But I notice among certain communities, that anger stirs at the failure of Democrats to do anything, which is employed in further barring the Democrats from doing anything. I am certain this is by the design of some skilful propagandists, who have engineered our society in such a way that our very outrage is made our undoing.
“In boxing, you don’t pay off the winner, you pay off the loser.”
Here’s the thing, why would you ever assume that the Democratic party has ever had an interest in ‘doing anything’? They are the ones who, when granted the political writ, doubled down on neoliberal economics and funding the war machine back in 2010. And you can go back even further to see that they are always, always doing similar things, no matter what the political mood of the country is. All they do, and literally what they tell you they do is ‘Be the Republicans but smarter.’
What if I’m not interested in that? Then it isn’t in my interest to vote for the Democrats and this supposed propaganda isn’t my personal undoing.
The Democrats don’t do things for people because the party is literally defined by ripping out the levers and mechanisms of power that make the party even mildly accountable to the people, as people became even mildly radicalized. The Republicans, on the other hand, appear very accountable to their base because what their base wants is good for capital. If their base suddenly didn’t want those things, they would be cut out just as fast as the Democrats did to theirs (Which btw we are starting to see in real time wrt Zionism within the party.)
It’s not bourgeois propaganda, it’s literally just having a memory longer than the last year. Truth is the most effective propaganda.
Doing nothing is better than doing concentration camps. And yes, the Democrats are to blame for not stopping the concentration camps by doing something, but blame isn’t going to make that problem better, it’s just going to accelerate the problem, because their entire tactic is to be blamed.
What we need to do is think about the future, not the past. The right question isn’t “who is bad, who can I hate?” That’s not going to help. It’s going to help with Being Right, but Being Right only saves the world if it’s accompanied by Doing Right. You need to think about the consequences of your actions. This isn’t debate club, this is politics. You’re not just a spectator judging from the sidelines, you’re in this. You have choices to make.
You and I both want a revolution, so start from that goal, not from looking at the past. How do we get a revolution? We need to build a leftist movement and gradually escalate direct action. That takes time. We need to buy time. We need to slow down fascism enough that we can revolt faster than they can genocide. We do that by foiling the Democrats’ conspiracy to lose.
We need intelligence AND wisdom. Figuring out who the bad guys are is step 1. Step 2 isn’t hating them, step 2 is stopping them.
They didn’t just not close down the concentration camps, they expanded the concentration camps! The fascism is here, you can’t slow it down, it is all around you, you breathe it in every day, so much so that you can’t tell the stench. Don’t lecture me on the steps when you can’t even do step one. I know who my enemies are, do you?
You can’t foil the Democrats conspiracy to lose because when they win they will still just do fascism, just more quietly and competently so people like you stop mewling. They actively square the circle of imperialist politics. If you can’t organize while the savagery and contradictions are open and apparent, you will never be able to organize when a Democrat is in charge obfuscating the process.
All or nothing fallacy.
Oh, you’re so clever, I’ll bet you were a real hoot with all the other philosophical illiterates on reddit. No comment on the concentration camps either. Typical.
Where did I say do nothing? Organize your labor, learn to use a gun, get to know your local political situation and figures, and get away from thinking about things in terms of Democratic party politics, especially at the national level.
We are fighting a retreating action at best, but you will find no friends in the halls of national government, to get and stay there you have to be bought and paid for.
There you go.
And by the way, politics isn’t about making friends, it’s about improving the world. But you want every option to be all - a worthy friend - or nothing - no possibility of cooperation. For the sake of Jesus Christ, read Marx’s address to the Communist League and be saved from this sin.
Read *What is to be done?" you obnoxious liberal. What exactly are you out there doing anyway? You’re a supposed anarchist that wants to make the democratic party turn their backs on the corporate bourgeois benefactors that put them and keep them in power? That’s the silliest most feckless thing I’ve read in a minute. If that were a reasonable route for organizing, why has hijacking a bourgeois electoral party to make it into a revolutionary proletariat one never been a strategy any revolutionary organizer you’ve read or read of ever made significant progress with? Through what mechanism do you propose even accomplishing that, the power of Jesus Christ compelling them? You’ve got to be one of the most annoyingly anti materialist goobers I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing on this site. At least chuds are worth posting pig poop balls at. You’re a liberal cosplaying a revolutionary anarchist and you still can’t imagine anything beyond what already exists. For the love of God chatter, join the PSL and develop some goddamn discipline instead of whatever this has been all day.
I can’t imagine anything beyond what exists? Well YOU can’t imagine anything but atoms! Everything’s made of atoms to you: people, governments, even our culture. I can imagine gods! I can imagine plagues! I can imagine worlds beyond this plane. I assure you that between the two of us, YOU are the realist. May your soul be saved.
Joe Simon did it while Stalin was still sucking Hitler’s dick
Where’s your sense of left unity? A few gentle nudges at your implementation of praxis, a bit of debate, and you call me a fake leftist. Dialectics requires good faith debate, but you resort to ad hominem defences as soon as a fellow leftist demonstrates the flaws in your plan to achieve communism. Your sect of leftism will never achieve revolution. You are too hostile to wisdom and unity. You will drive away all of your potential allies, and permit the capitalists to destroy you. So it was in Russia, so it was in Spain. I only pray to our Lord that you do not take us with you. Christ bless you.
See, here’s the problem with that. Marx’s Address to the Communist League clearly is in agreement with my particular political programme. Which, no shit it should, I cribbed it from him.
There are, in particular, two passages that are extremely important to note and apply to the American context.
“The relationship of the revolutionary workers’ party to the petty-bourgeois democrats is this: it cooperates with them against the party which they aim to overthrow; it opposes them wherever they wish to secure their own position.”
This is most likely the passage that you are misinterpreting. To cooperate against the party they wish to overthrow does not apply to the national Democratic party because the national Democratic party does not wish to overthrow the Republican party. They wish to consolidate the gains of the Republican party for big capital. They say this repeatedly. To paraphrase, “America needs a strong Republican party.” - Nancy Pelosi.
If anything, this address would have us helping the Republicans, as they are the party that is most represented by the American petite-bourgious.This is, of course, a gross misapplication of theory because both parties are inevitably primarily representatives of big capital. We are not in a German 1850’s situation where there is a party that wishes to overthrow the Kaiser, and establish a republic, we are in a situation in which the liberal republic has already been established and centralized.
To whit,
“But they themselves must contribute most to their final victory, by informing themselves of their own class interests, by taking up their independent political position as soon as possible, by not allowing themselves to be misled by the hypocritical phrases of the democratic petty bourgeoisie into doubting for one minute the necessity of an independently organized party of the proletariat.”
This is the penultimate point of the piece and where we reside, which is pretty damn clear, and exactly what I was advocating for in the previous post. I advise you to actually read what you claim to have read in the historical context that it exists in, in order to not misapply it to our historical political situation.
But you can do whatever you want, it is unlikely that you are actually a member of any party I am a part of.
The Democratic Party is not a person. Please set aside the Great Man Theory of history, which I see you have reskinned into your Great Egregore Theory. The Democratic Party is an organisation, which is subject to material pressures. We, the workers, ultimately create all material pressures. The Democratic Party responds to the balance of workers and bourgeois. When the workers are unprincipled, and vulnerable to propaganda, money begins to speak louder, and the politicians listen. When the workers are strong, united, and active in each and every avenue of politics, money is silenced, and the overton window shifts left.
Your primitive notions of good and evil individuals cannot be applied to national policy. You must switch to a dialectical determinist model, so you can truly understand what is going on. You can already see how dialectical determinism has begun to change New York for the better - the people are tired of fascism, they want change, and change follows. Tell them change is impossible, and you will make it so.
Hivemind fallacy.