Wtf. Why didn’t you mention the cringe lord emperor striker?!
Edit: using my mod powers to get attention.
Leaching on to mod powers to grab attention, for what purpose, I do not know.
To prevent the all powerful cum tsunami from wiping us all out
Nah, that one seems too funny to miss
Put me in the screenshot
Not me though thanks
The elon musk mindset. Lmao
Thank you god-modereor for showing us the way… By force!
Goderator?
Don’t give them any ideas!
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Can any mere man wield such ferocious, blinding power?
A terrifyingly, beautiful thing to behold. But only just a glance.
I’m scared, feel like… like an Upper Neolithic man witnessing Nikolai Tesla inside his Faraday cage, as the bright blue electric current crackles and arches all around him.I mean if you have to ask, the answer is obvious.
@admin MOD ABUSE!!!
Me as an instance admin sitting here reading about how Lemmy doesn’t have trolls and Russian bots, while I’m in a chat with other instance admins and mods where we need to actively coordinate to fight the trolls and Russian bots 😐
Thank you for your service! (sounds sarcastic, is not)
Yeah… OP is blind to the massive Kremlin and CCP propaganda problem here in the Fediverse.
After hexbear got defederated from most of the major instances, the fucking losers just make alts on different instances so they can continue defending that propaganda filled shithole. Now .ml seems like the new worst, no matter what you do these no-life losers will find a way to spread their bullshit.
Takes much more effort to try and stop them than it does for these losers to make alts unfortunately.
I was under the impression that the .ml admins actually promote them because it’s run by people from Hexbear.
It’s a bit more mask on, and there’s a few legit communities there, as opposed to Hexbear where the entire instance has a stated goal.
But it’s pretty bad.
Ml is run by the creators of Lemmy, and hexbear is well… Not. Hexbear made their own fork of lemmy a long time ago and only in the past year or so have they been actually able to federate at all. I don’t see the creators of Lemmy going through all that effort to hide their identities if they were actually running hexbear behind the scenes
Confusing the bear with 'grad
They’re not just some losers sitting on their mom’s basements, they’re paid or programmed to spread disinformation and division.
By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
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Somewhere in Moscow, there’s a big red phone that connects to its counterpart in Beijing, where Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping discuss the latest attempts to influence an indie reddit spin-off with an elaborate network of Markov Chain LLMs producing comments like “I wish y’all wouldn’t be so nakedly racist towards people from other countries.”
Are you denying these operations happen?
Am I denying the existence of a branch of international foreign intelligence dedicated specifically to Lemmy.world?
Yes. 100%. Absolutely.
It’s pure paranoia.
Welcome to IT. If everything is on fire, they ask why you’re even here, and if everything is ready for the fire and there’s nothing left to do, they also ask why you’re even here
I’m yet to see any in the last year personally, so I guess it’s working?
That’s honestly pretty amazing that you’ve been here a year and haven’t seen a troll! Though you’re on an instance with a very active and determined admin, there is definitely a difference in how much you see between instances because of how removals work.
picking the right instance seems to be half the battle for users
You guys are pretty proactive about blocking and defederating bad faith instances, or even ones not doing enough to deal with bad actors. You were one of the first to defederate Hexbear, and I think you even defederated world at one point?
Hexbear defederated blahaj.zone, actually. Here is the original thread going over why.
The fuck is a chaser?
Here’s a good reddit thread over on r/asktransgender.
Chasers are dangerous to the trans community and turn people into fetish objects, rather than recognizing them as people. It ignores the desires of trans individuals who wish to be seen as the gender they identify with and explicitly chases trans individuals for their being trans.
Ie, a transwoman is pursued for being a transwoman and not for being a woman.
Hey that was me back when I had a kbin account. I’m the account in the screenshot.
That was a direct response to someone asking if I would have sex with a trans man. I got accused of being a chaser for saying “sure, I guess, pre-transition” (the first part) and being a transphobe for saying “but I’m not sexually attracted to dicks” (the second part). Note those two accusations are more or less mutually exclusive, but it doesn’t matter because they’re both deeply, incredibly stupid accusations. The mods and admins of blahaj pointed out how incredibly stupid the accusations were, and some people didn’t like being called stupid, so they went back to hexbear. And continued to be stupid.
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To be clear, being a chaser is transphobic.
A chaser is someone who fetishizes and objectifies trans people.
Thank you for your service
Oh, hey Dave. Small world huh?
👋
I haven’t seen much of it at all in my 1+ year here, so y’all are doing a great job :3
The matrix admin group or a different one?
The matrix one
Just need to swap SatansMaggotyCumFart with Jimmydoreisalefty.
@SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is simply irreverent; not a troll.
I need to figure out what irreverent means so I know if I should be insulted.
Trust me - it’s better than some fucking herb…
It’s liberal for deeply unserious I think
Liberal or not I think we can all agree more unseriousness is needed on Lemmy.
The top voted comment on a shitposting post amounts to a “WELl aCTcTUAtLY” for X’s sake.
Well, actually, “well actually” comments under shitposts usually add ironic value and aren’t too serious, at least most of what I’ve seen
Damn I forgot about dore is a lefty!
He definitely is not. He’s a grifter that parrots a lot of right wing nut job conspiracy theories like anti-vaxxing. He’s a Liberal at most.
There is a user named JimmyDoreIsALefty who constantly posts bait and argues in the comments of it.
Sinister as shit.
I’m glad I’m not the only one. That account is truly bizarre (from the point of view of how they write and express themselves). I’ve engaged with them a few times and it’s like a weird loop. I know it’s a real person, but it feels like talking to a script or dialog tree because it always goes down the same 1-2 dialog paths
I think it’s a bot assisted human. The amount of spam they output is inhuman but they do interact like a human at times.
Ok, so I’m not the only one who noticed that their spam has a weird taste to it. It’s got that vibe of some agreeable left-wing content but then feels likes it only there to mask authoritarian narrative building.
@SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world is a maga troll that loves giving the Jan 6th traitors kisses on their little traitor faces
She’s more of a Devils advocate. Just stating the wrong opinion for others to explain what’s right. There’s never any clever comeback, so I kind of think that’s the reason for her to shitpost so heavily.
I’ve blocked plenty of trolls here, but not her, yet.
I like Jimmy’s contributions. :-/
Edit: some*
Even without any karma system, interacting with the users here is a breath of fresh air. Lemmy has the least shills and bots compared to the poison in most other platforms. It’s currently Lemmy’s best asset and where it stands out from all existing social media imo, and I hope it remains this way.
They’re certainly easier to avoid.
Lemmy has the least shills and bots
Because it’s not popular yet. Wait until it becomes so and the inevitable enshittification happens.
Enshittification isn’t what happens when something becomes popular, it’s what happens to disruptive tech and commodities that get increasingly fine-tuned for profit after competition inevitably floods in. It’s a product of monetization.
Lemmy is FOSS so that won’t happen, plus you can splinter off into your own walled garden instance like Beehaw if you want.
You make it sound like monetization can’t happen on a FOSS platform. Bots are a form of monetization, it’s just not by the people who created and control the platform.
As it gets popular, bots will come for the purpose of creating an audience and monetizing them.
That’s true, but it’s just not enshittification because it’s not done by the platform itself. It’s a different word.
Hmmm interesting. I was under the impression that enshitification was “making something shittier in the pursuit of (eg) greed”, I didn’t realize that it only applies to when the creator (controller? owner?) of the thing does it.
Has it always been used for this specific case? If so, what is the word for the more general case I described?
It sounds like a really specific definition, but you’d be surprised by how often it applies. He originally thought of it to apply to Tik Tok after noticing it following a similar pattern as Facebook, Amazon, and I think Google. Then the internet realized it could keep applying his term to so many more companies, like Spotify, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Reddit, Microsoft, Apple, all streaming companies, and even physical product companies like car companies or John Deere, etc and it’s shot up in popularity and use since then.
Not sure of the general use case you describe, but the person who invented the term in that article I linked sounds like he doesn’t mind if it’s used in a more general case for things getting worse from greed, so feel free to go ahead and keep using it I guess lol. Although maybe we should come up with a different, more general term for that if there isn’t already one? I’ve got nothing, but if anyone has suggestions lol.
Ey used the wrong word, but this in fact is correct. Once lemmy gets popular, bot farms will definitely will siege it, and the amount of “bots and shills” will rise
Maybe “dickheadification” instead?
Enshittification also happens because of government propaganda, like the authoritarian propaganda Lemmy.ml spreads for the CCP.
Aee you suggesting people on Lemmy.ml are paid by the Chinese government to spread propaganda?
Some of them yes, absolutely.
Do you have any source for that? I would be curious to see.
Let me ask friend in the CCP to send some of their files over for you to look at, it’s all very open and well documented.
I think, they are only paid indirectly in that the money are spent on propaganda to make them act like this
That’s a single instance, they can be blocked and avoided. The FOSS community is way more resiliant to enshittification.
Not really, their users make alts everywhere else too. It’s also quite easy just to keep setting up new instances too.
Deal with them just like regular trolls. You shouldn’t be like the Muskrat cultists who think content moderation is useless and thus should be given up on. I understand, I suffered from activism burnout on the regular (one was right in the middle of an election campaign), but one should not give up easily.
That’s not at all what I am saying. I am saying it’s easier to do moderation on more centralised platforms like Reddit, because moderators simply have more power and more tools there. The flip side of that being that it makes it easier for moderators and admins to abuse and ban people without recourse. I am not saying moderation is pointless at all, just that it’s easier with one platform than the other. There are pros and cons to both models.
I would argue being open source and decentralised are major advantages of Lemmy and are more than sufficient to justify its existence. Just that it also isn’t perfect either. There are always trade-offs to be made when designing a platform, and that’s something you should always bear in mind.
Have we forgotten that we also have Margot Robbie?
I think that she prefers “Academy Award-nominated character actor, and producer Margot Robbie”.
Star of the Barbie movie, now available on Blu Ray at your local retailers!
Are you saying that she’s a bot or a troll?
I’m saying she’s an academy award nominated character actor and producer
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The tragic thing, though, is that if lemmy ever “takes off”, there’s nothing about it that will make it any more resistant to bots and trolls.
It’s kinda like back when Macs had no viruses, because nobody bothered.
I disagree. Lemmy is more resistant to bots because there’s no perverse incentive to boost user activity numbers to please investors and advertisers. Reddit for example doesn’t really care if most comments are fake on a post. It’s still interaction and it pumps numbers. Lemmy is built and run by us. It serves no other masters.
Given that users naturally self-sort into instances, your trolls are also more likely to congregate on instances and communities that can be blocked. I don’t want to name any names but I do block some instances from my view for a reason. The Russian bots congregate in places that are amenable to this, and the design of Lemmy encourages this self-sorting into places where you’re accepted.
The problem is still significant, but there are advantages to the fediverse.
I think it would be more likely bots would flood instances with posts at a level that was unrealistic for the small scale admins we currently have to combat.
There is a bit of a chain of trust, however. Instance fills with spam bots? Defed.
Spam bots start making their own instances? Go to whitelists.And as henfredemars says, because there is no financial incentive to grow the userbase, instances can slow things right down if the spam starts.
This’ll probably be an “agree to disagree,” but I think most websites do make good faith efforts to lower bot usage. Not because I trust them or anything, but because the perception that bot spam is out of control is bad for their bottom line. It drives away real users and high bot activity makes advertisers disinclined to trust that the high traffic is of any value.
nah, descentralisation is what help, i already read as article explaining exactly that, lemmy problem is that one of it first instances are full of trolls lol
Not only that, but it’s actually a much easier target because of the relatively sporadic moderation.
Compared to reddit, the Fediverse’s ability to moderate propaganda and advertising is puny and uncoordinated.
You forgot that lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, & hexbear exist.
Hexbear is… I’m just old I guess, I don’t understand. My instance is not defederated from them. Whenever I’m reading a post that originates from hexbear, I can always tell. Like it will just hit me and I will look at the source and yep, it’s hexbear.
But I don’t exactly understand why. I can’t see that they have any particular worldview, they just have a unique (and contrarian) way of expressing… all worldviews, seemingly. It feels like an inside joke that I don’t have enough information about to understand.
Doesn’t seem like bots, Russian or otherwise. Too vague. Not enough of a directed agenda. Is it just trolls? They seem to earnest to be trolls.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Hexbear
They’re basically trans communist genocide deniers, they’ve run troll ops which is why they’ve been mass de-federated.
See https://lemmy.world/post/2498330This article makes me think this is a tankie wiki, because literally everyone from that awful place is a tankie as far as I can tell.
It is a tankie wiki, but what a better way to expose their tankie nature than the tankies themself.
They’re kids that like confrontation. They don’t actually have any agenda other than “this hexbear user said to follow this!” And they jump on it. The next day could be a completely different stance on the subject.
They’ve chosen a very confrontational path with the way their instance interacts with others, and as a result they get a lot of push back, which just makes them angrier. I suspect anyone trying to be reasonable on the instance gets accused of not being a true believer as well, so only the angriest remain.
Also, Boost for Lemmy allows you to block an entire instance, it’s pretty handy.
Their community came over here long before all us old Redditors and it seems like they’ve cultivated their own culture and in-jokes and such. It can get confusing to pierce all the irony and sarcasm to figure out what they’re saying sometimes.
Hard disagree. I’m already spending less time here because the Kremlin and CCP propaganda ruins the experience for me. I don’t even consider recommending it to people I know for the same reason.
You can block Instances that like those, or switch to and instance where the admins do it on an instance level.
I still see their comments all the time and they still upvote their propaganda on other instances.
Joining an instance that has defederated from them should alleviate that problem.
Eh just block the tankie instances. That problem goes away quickly!
Just because I’m not seeing these comments and posts doesn’t mean other people aren’t. And if they’re seeing it, then they’ll get seduced by the evil tankie mind-control rays. That means I’ve got to start blocking them, too.
Pretty soon, I’ll be in this shrinking walled garden of fewer and fewer people who say things I approve of. And then what?! I might begin to question my own self-righteousness or engage in some degree of critical reflection of views. That’ll be it. They’ll have gotten to me, too!
The whole Lemmy.world community needs to be severed from any instance of heresy. Otherwise, my personal views might be put at risk.
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you tankies are on the margins of society
It’s funny to see a police officer in an MRAP drive down my street, while a guy on the internet insists my problem is that I’m too much of a militant.
we are the ones hiding and protecting our fragile views…
Why else invoke admins and mods to protect you?
We just want to skip the second hand embarrassment
If you’re feeling shame because you hear someone assert that genocide is bad, that’s not second-hand. That’s your conscience screaming at you.
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You say on a platform developed by “tankies”
Uphold Lemmy.world Thought
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Of course, one of the things about Lemmy is you can’t appeal a mod action (as far as I know)
JordanLund seems fairly level but once deleted one of my comments for “advocating violence” when I said Nixon and Kissinger should have been hanged for treason. They’re both already dead… And that’s the legal punishment for high treason. Which they did.
Tl;Dr you can’t get in a mod fight because you can’t fight back
As a Russian bot, I’m deeply offended
same here, i really hate all this neo-liberal drivel about how everything they don’t like is a CCP/Kremlin sponsored propoganda
SMCF is one of the comfort usernames that I’ve seen around ever since joining Lemmy
Same tbh, the name always gives me a smirk lol
Yes yes it does… shart … fucker… 420, oh! shark! Misread it.
Comfort =/= super disgusting and weird on purpose
You tell’em, Best Friend.
I see a lot by “the Picard maneuver” or something like that. I can’t remember if I like their posts, but there’s a lot.
wait, you guys read usernames?
I tag a lot of people with nicknames. Really makes them stand out a lot more, and when they do the type of content and patterns stick out a lot more.
What app are you using that lets you tag? I love Eternity but if I can get a similar experience with user tagging I’d be pretty excited to try it
Connect and Voyager both let me
Can you explain how to do this on Voyager? Can’t seem to figure it out.
I tag propaganda accounts all the time using Boost and Connect. Connect is FOSS, Boost was a Reddit app. You really do notice patterns.
or just block them?
I think the Fediverse will fail of regular people don’t push back against the propaganda. There’s no budget for countering misinformation.
I read this comment several times and I still don’t understand it. Stand out for what? What content and patterns?
You can put your own nickname next to the names of other users, to catalog them/ mark trolls or whatever. That seems to be what Don is doing inbetween Rampages
I wasn’t even aware this was a thing
Tags are much more noticeable than user names. It tends to stick out more from the rest of the post and makes you notice who the poster is. After seeing them enough you tend to get a feel for the type of content they post about.
Yeah, there’s a lot of power posters here. PugJesus is an example from the opposite camp, calling out the anti-Democrat propaganda from the two OP mentioned.
Very good +1000 social credit, OP
Huh
I think he is making a joke that OP is, in fact, the bot
Or maybe he’s just bullying OP for circlejerking so hard and giving himself a pat on the back as a Lemmy user
What?
Exactly. Some random snide implication of Chinese support, no specifics though
Lemmygrad, Hexbear, & Lemmy.ml.
Thank you @satansmaggotycumfart@lemmy.world for making this site a better place o7
You give me bender vibes
I’m sure he greatly appreciated that, Sharkfucker420
